Quote of the week – ‘we shall not be moved’ – great song “Stand Up” by the flobots!

A great song…powerful lyrics, that we all need to listen to… couldn’t have written it better myself!
here are some of the lyrics:

“stand up-we shall not be moved
except by a child with no socks and shoes
if you’ve got more to give, then you’ve got to prove,
put your hands up and i’ll copy you”

“…under god, but we kill like the son of Sam,
but if you feel like i feel about the Son of Man,
we will overcome!”

“… we shall not be moved,
except by a child with no socks and shoes,
except by a woman dying from a loss of food
except by a freedom fighter dying on a cross for you
We shall not be moved
Except by a system thats rotten through
Neglecting the victims and ordering the cops to shoot
High treason now we need to prosecute”

And whoever made the video to the song, did a great job! check out the video!

Quote of the Day

“Conservative religious people involved in kingdom-of-the-world thinking often believe that their enemies are the liberals, the gay activists, the ACLU, the pro-choice advocates, the evolutionists, and so on.  On the opposite side, liberal religious people often think that their enemies are the fundamentalists, the gay bashers, the Christian Coalition, the antiabortionists, and so on.  Demonizing one’s enemies is part of the tit-for-tat game of Babylon, for only by doing so can we justify our animosity, if not violence, toward them.  What we have here are two different religious versions of the kingdom of the world going at each other.  If we were thinking along the lines of the kingdom of God, however, we would realize that none of the people mentioned in the above lists are people whom kingdom-of-God citizens are called to fight against.  They are, rather, people whom kingdom-of-God citizens are called to fight for.

Our battle is “not against flesh and blood,”  whether they are right wing or left wing, gay or straight, pro-choice or pro-life, liberal or conservative, democratic or communist, American or Iraqi.  Our battle is against the ‘cosmic powers’ that hold these people, and all people, in bondage.  Whatever our own opinions about how the kingdom of the world should run, whatever political or ethical views we may happen to embrace, our one task as kingdom-of-God disciples is to fight for people, and the way we do it is by doing exactly what Jesus did.  He defeated the cosmic powers of darkness by living a countercultural life characterized by outrageous love and by laying down his life for his enemies.  So too, we contribute to the demise of the “power over” principalities that hold people in bondage when we refrain from judgment of others and rather extend grace to them, when we let go of anger toward others and instead “come under” them in loving service.”    

–Gregory A. Boyd, The Myth of a Christian Nation

what kind of christian are we talking about?

My friend Eugene Cho just posted on his blog about the idea of a Christian president and whether its significant or not for our president to be a Christian.  it is a good blog and i will link it here, for you to check out… as he also references another blog article which is a good read as well.  But while here i wanted to comment on this particular issue.

First of all, there is not really a presidential candidate that i know of in my history that has not been ‘a christian’, so that almost makes it a moot point. 

So, it’s kind of like when you see a business that throws the Christian fish on their card to let you know they are a Christian company, but then they do shotty work. You can throw around the Christian label all you want, but if you suck at what you do… i don’t think i want you to do work for me.  I mean, if someone is building my house and they happen to be a Christian, but they are not that great of a builder and they do this wrong or that wrong, then to me their faith is insignificant, if i am hiring a builder.  Certainly the president has a much larger responsibility than a contractor, but the analogy still flies.  If the president is a Christian, but is not that great of a president, then their faith is insignificant, if we are needing a president.  Sure, we want someone who is honest and trustworthy and has integrity, but I know people who are not Christians who have those values and i know people who are Christians, and lack in the areas of integrity or trust.  So for me, it seems to be more about the values that govern them then about the faith they profess.  

I even find it hard to believe that someone could actually follow Christ effectively and maintain their integrity and be the president of a nation, or any high political office for that matter. (it’s so incredibly difficult for us normal, everyday folk to do so, much less someone with such a huge position of power)  So much of politics is being able to gain people’s following and there is a strong tendency of manipulation to get the people’s support.  I am certain that at times, integrity is curbed so that agendas can be passed through unscathed by moral values… this being on both sides of the table. 

I don’t believe any candidate is able to escape the corporate agenda, mainly because the corporations that are funding them, want to see their agendas passed, and so i see it difficult for someone to make integrity-based decisions on an individual basis, when there is a larger agenda driving the decisions that are made for our government.  Now while I believe there is some sense of the people having a say in what happens in our governing bodies, for the most part, it seems to be the ones with the money who have a little more pull in that arena.  

In the past, i used to vote based on… well basically i was told who to vote for, because if i am ‘a christian’ then ‘there is only one person you can vote for… one party… one agenda… one set of issues’… and so therefore, i had no choice in the matter.  Christian meant Republican…conservative…right-wing.  So i, like many, many other Americans, made my vote based on… well the fear and propaganda of what would happen if ‘the other guy’ was president!

My perspective is so completely different now.  My views are so completely different.  The issues are completely different for me.  I don’t put any faith in any political party, candidate, or agenda.  The issues are the issues because they get votes.  

So for me it has to be about governing value and a bigger perspective on the issues that are being presented… that is… if i choose to vote at all!

As far as being ‘a christian’, both candidates are, so once again… it is a moot point.

And, at the end of the day, i follow Jesus, so whoever wins won’t change that or how i view the world, or how i live my life.

just some random thoughts, which i am sure some will disagree with, but that’s ok 🙂